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Nce the militaristic Jewish forces that had just been defeated by the Roman Emperor Titus in 70 ADAtwill uncovered the secret key to this story in the writings of Josephus the famed first century Roman historian Reading Josephus's chronicle The War of the Jews the author found detail after detail that closely paralleled events recounted in the Gospels Atwill skillfully d. The premise of the book was intriguing but it s execution was horrible Atwill uses slippery language some believe who exactly is left unanswered and fallacious arguments despite his profession of logicFor example when trying to reconcile the 4 Gospels he says only those able to think intelligently and logically 135 135 will get the comedy of errors 142 He then abandons implicit insults and comes right out with ad hominems Only those who are illogical will believe that the passages indicate that Jesus rose from the dead 142And how does he solve the contradictions within his own logical explanation By reuiring the reader to believe another set of facts in this case that Mary Magdalene is 4 separate women one in each Gospel in order for his interpretation to work In other words in order to accept his conclusion that the Gospels are one story you have to resolve the contradictions surrounding Mary by seeing that she s not the same person in each Gospel she s a different woman in each story And how do we know this Because the Gospels are one story the conclusion to his argument That s known as Begging the uestion in the world of logical fallacies Basing a conclusion on an assumption that is as much in need of proof or demonstration as the conclusion itselfOf course Atwill also claims that Titus and company invented Jesus and thus Christianity Titus parallel events begin in 6667 CE So how did Nero persecute non existent Christians in 64 CE as recorded by Tacitus Unsurprisingly Atwill cherry picks the passages related by TacitusAtwill also stretches definitions to make his parallels work For example he cites the Bible s phrase of fishers of men and compares it to a sea battle where Romans in boats killed some Jews in the water Clearly then the Romans are fishers of men and the two are euivalent in the great cosmic joke of Christianity But if you disagree you re being illogical and aren t smart enough to get itThe most absurd thing is that this book is actually going to be made into a documentaryFull Disclosure I was raised Catholic but am no longer a practicing Christian I had no assumptionsbias before reading this book only an interest in what he had to say Hers to Protect you have to resolve the contradictions surrounding Mary by seeing that she s not the same person in each Gospel she s a different woman in each story And how do we know this Because the Gospels are one story the conclusion to his argument That s known as Begging the uestion in the world of logical fallacies Basing a conclusion on an assumption that is as much in need of proof or demonstration as the conclusion itselfOf course Atwill also claims that Titus and company invented Jesus and thus Christianity Titus parallel events begin in 6667 CE So how did Nero persecute non existent Christians in 64 CE as recorded by Tacitus Unsurprisingly Atwill cherry picks the passages related by TacitusAtwill also stretches definitions to make his parallels work For example he cites the Bible s phrase of fishers of men and compares it to a sea battle where Romans in boats killed some Jews in the water Clearly then the Romans are fishers of men and the two are euivalent in the great cosmic joke of Christianity But if Her Small-Town Hero you disagree Red Tail (Travis Trilogy you re being illogical and aren t smart enough to get itThe most absurd thing is that this book is actually going to be made into a documentaryFull Disclosure I was raised Catholic but am no longer a practicing Christian I had no assumptionsbias before reading this book only an interest in what he had to say

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Caesar's Messiah The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus

Caesar's Messiah a real life Da Vinci Code presents the dramatic and controversial discovery that the conventional views of Christian origins may be wrong Author Joseph Atwill makes the case that the Christian Gospels were actually written under the direction of first century Roman emperors The purpose of these texts was to establish a peaceful Jewish sect to counterbala. It s extremely difficult for me to judge the truthaccuracy of the reasoning in this book because I don t think I have enough expertise on 1st Century Roman history But of all the attempts to uncover the origins of christianity this book presents one of the most plausible explanations that I m aware of Probably a minority of people think as I do that Jesus of the New Testament is a mythological character NOT an actual historical figure And probably the majority within that minority believe that the myth was originally created by Jews in opposition to Roman rule THIS book represents a minority within the minority as it presents the idea that the jesus myth was created by a group of Roman rulers as a false rallying point for messianic Jews in order to pacify and subdue their resistance to Roman rule So it s expected that this book would not be well received not just by christian apologetics but by many non believers as well since it challenges to the core what the vast majority of people believe about the christianity Other notes I think it helps to be familiar with the Machiavellian view of how political power operates in order to appreciate the critiue in this book The unfortunate comparison to the Da Vinci code is understandable as a back cover marketing tactic but it s a little misleading as it banalizes the subject matter here

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Emonstrates that the emperors used the Gospels to spark a new religious movement that would aid them in maintaining power and order What's by including hidden literary clues they took the story of the Emperor Titus's glorious military victory as recounted by Josephus and embedded that story in the Gospels a sly and satirical way of glorifying the emperors through the age. I have no knowledge here I am taking it as read that he isn t distorting the text or choosing versions to suit his case whilst ignoring others on the perhaps ropey assumption that he wouldn t get away with it If anyone knows any different than please let me know His main techniue seems to be reading the various descriptions of events side by side and so spotting variations on a theme in stories that at first glance are not related He concentrate on the concepts and timelines of he stories rather than exact phrasing names of characters in them or exact locations He claims this was a recognised literary techniue or device of the time to encrypt meanings for those in the know I don t know if this is true Any ideas how to check it outHe generates a logical explanation for the many coincidences so revealed based upon politics and otherwise known methods of the Romans of the time No statistical analyses of the size of most of the various coincidences with one exceptionHe makes sense of contradiction in the four gospels re Easter Sunday by combining them reveals they are each others angels and it was Tomb of Lazarus he and calculates 1 in 254 million chance of the four stories combining logically without contradiction But he does this by assuming his is the only alternative internally consistent narrative I think he is ignoring other ways the tale can be told and so this perhaps reduces his odds by a factor of a hundred or a thousand But still impressively slim odds On reflection I m frustrated If this was science I could read review papers Even in areas of dispute I could get an overview But the reviews I have read suggest a huge range of ideas all convincing to their authors and some followers Can anyone suggest a work giving a overview of the field


10 thoughts on “Caesar's Messiah The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus

  1. says:

    The central thesis of Caesar's Messiah is that the Gospels of the Bible were written and the character of Jesus Christ was created by Roman intellectuals under the direction of Caesar Titus Flavius primarily with the intenti

  2. says:

    It's extremely difficult for me to judge the truthaccuracy of the reasoning in this book because I don't think I have enough expertise on 1st Century Roman history But of all the attempts to uncover the origins of christianity this b

  3. says:

    I would have to say that I'm slightly biased in my religious background to review this book fairly I have to say that I grew up forced to read

  4. says:

    Tunnel VisionWhat Atwill attempts with his work is commendable and deserves five stars just for his attempt to conuer such a monumental topic However the author is so engaged to prove his hypothesis that he not only ignores suggestions to the contrary but also misses that he actually would have been onto discovering something tru

  5. says:

    The premise of the book was intriguing but it's execution was horrible Atwill uses slippery language some believe who exactly is le

  6. says:

    The book is an analysis of the origins of Christianity as a Roman state sponsored religion In a remarkably innovative bit of close textual analysis he demonstrates that Josephus Jewish War and the New Testament w

  7. says:

    A very thought provoking book Since I already had a basic knowledge of John Allegro's work with the Dead Sea scrolls I found this book very int

  8. says:

    A bit difficult to get through thus far as the book reads like a thesis but highly interesting subject matter

  9. says:

    I have no knowledge here I am taking it as read that he isn't distorting the text or choosing versions to suit his case whilst ignoring others on the perhaps ropey assumption that he wouldn’t get away with it If anyone knows any different t

  10. says:

    At times it read too much like at academic thesis and was hard to sit through for long periods of time However there were some very compelling theories and ideas that make sense I'd love to see this vetted by another biblical scholar and other works on the topic The Bible after all was written by human hands so there isn't a large leap of faith for me to understand it as a propaganda piece to pacify a violent group of religious

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